ACLU: Their Article on John Roberts
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WASHINGTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed deep concern about some of the civil liberties positions advocated by Judge John Roberts, President Bush's choice to replace retiring Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the Supreme Court.
While serving as principal deputy solicitor general from 1989-1993, he authored briefs calling for Roe v. Wade to be overruled, supporting graduation prayer, and seeking to criminalize flag burning as a form of political protest."All these positions were rejected by the Supreme Court," said Steven Shapiro, the ACLU's National Legal Director. "But the Supreme Court remains closely divided on many of these questions."As a senior Justice Department official, Roberts was in a position to help shape the government's legal positions as well as represent them.
At a minimum, the Senate should determine the extent to which the positions taken in these briefs also reflect Roberts's personal views.
Judge John Roberts was appointed to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals in May 2003. He received his undergraduate and law degrees from Harvard University and clerked for Justice Rehnquist. He served in a number of positions in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, including as principal deputy solicitor general from 1989 to 1993.
"The Supreme Court has played a pivotal role in advancing freedom," said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU Executive Director. "Without the Supreme Court, the South would still be segregated, illegal abortions would be claiming thousands of lives, the indigent would have no right to a lawyer, and lesbian and gay Americans could be imprisoned for their private sexual conduct."
"The stakes could not be higher," Romero added.
The ACLU will only oppose a Supreme Court nominee on a majority vote of its 83 person national board.
I find this article a bit funny because the only dirt the ACLU could find on John Roberts was that he wanted to outlaw the burning of our country's flag in protest and that he wanted to allow a graduation prayer.
The ACLU says that they want to protect the liberties of all as well as fight against religious indifference, but I guess burning the flag and taking away graduation prayers does not take away the liberties and rights of many?
If it were my graduation and there was not allowed to be a graduation prayer/blessing because of the ACLU I would be more than angry and feel that my rights to a prayer were being taken away. If some members of the graduating class are not Christian it still wouldn't matter, being blessed by a person or being prayed for by others should never be insulting even if the person is from another religion.
The burning of the American Flag in protest is a difficult subject for me. Personally I believe that it is wrong but it is not always wrong. Before you all start getting outraged please let me explain. If the government is doing something very wrong and or harmful to someone or a group of people I could understand the logic behind burning the flag by that group of people. They would feel that their government was betraying them and they would want to show that they believed the country has fallen, by burning the flag. I think that if a person wants to burn an American Flag we should let them. The material of that flag being burned is not going to affect or tarnish what it stands for and we should simply pay no attention to the people burning the flag, most likely they are just out for attention and we should not give it to them.
But, back to John Roberts. I believe that he is a more than qualified man for the job. His past records, experience, outstanding history at Harvard, and views make him a prime canidate for the job. I find relief in the fact that this article is the only thing the ACLU could throw at Roberts.


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If some members of the graduating class are not Christian it still wouldn't matter, being blessed by a person or being prayed for by others should never be insulting even if the person is from another religion.
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Really? So what if it was a Muslim prayer only, would it be a blessing then?
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1. If the government is doing something very wrong and or harmful to someone or a group of people I could understand the logic behind burning the flag by that group of people. They would feel that their government was betraying them and they would want to show that they believed the country has fallen, by burning the flag.
2. we should simply pay no attention to the people burning the flag, most likely they are just out for attention and we should not give it to them.
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Those are contradictory statements. Either they have a reason or they are out for attention. As it turns out amerikkka is doing something very wrong and or harmful to someone or a group of people every day, all around the world.
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But, back to John Roberts. I believe that he is a more than qualified man for the job. His past records, experience, outstanding history at Harvard, and views make him a prime canidate for the job.
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I don't think it matters that he went to harvard. George W went bought an "education" from Yale and everyone knows he's a borderline retard.
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Alright well lets relook at my statements.
If it was a muslim only prayer it would still be a blessing to non muslims, yes. The only reason it should be muslim though is if the majority of the class is muslim. If the majority of the class is Christian than a Christian blessing is called for and should not insult the muslims. If there are enough muslims or it is called for I see no reason that there should not also be a muslim prayer and it should not insult any christians.
When I said that that group of people would be justified in the burning of the flag I am talking about a rare event or when it COULD be understandable. The fact that I said MOST, not all, are out for attention makes the two statements non contradicting.
As for America hurting people I'm sure they do, but America does a lot of good too. You can't expect a country built on so many different ethnicities and people from different walks of life and wealth to treat everyone in a good manor (I don't hate muslims or even Iraq and Afganastan for the acts of a few I only hate the terrorists), you should try to focus on all the good that does occur and fight out against those that do harm without labeling the whole country and in doing so the contrabutions of many good people.
Again thanks for the post.
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Given what amerika is responsible for in the world today, I think that's kind of like saying, well, nazi germany wasn't ALL bad..
Sure many countries are multi-class and multi-racial but they aren't:
- Breaking international law.
- Curtailing most domestic freedoms.
- Faking elections.
- Replacing media with propaganda.
- Threatening countries with war.
- Killing innocent civilians.
- Breaking the Geneva conventions.
- Ignoring climate change.
- Being the world's #1 polluter.
- Being so ignorant about world affarirs.
I refuse to say that America hasn't done a lot wrong and isn't corrupt, but America HAS done a lot of good in the world.
I'm not even defending the America of which you speek of though ebha, you are talking more of the government while I am talking more of the people. It is just as wrong to classify America as all bad and wrong and etc as it is for me to say all Iraq is bad. The fact is though that Iraq has a lot of good people in it and probably good qualities, the problem is the people like dictators.
And superman, the reason for decisive victories not coming so often is because the country is so split on how to do things. For instance, I'm not supporting it but just saying, another country like Korea would find a spy or foreign soldier and torture them to find out all the information they could. If America tried this...even on a small scale of lesser torture, well just look at the incident not to long ago on the military base when we had men dance around in clothes and it became a huge torture scandel.
But you'll have to remember Desert Shield won't you? We clearly won that.
And eabha there are plenty of countries out there doing exactly the things on your list, I'm not saying America is an angel or even the people to look up to in the world, but I am in these posts actually bashing the ACLU...not saying America is so awesome and lovely.
Right but the aclu and things like you have contempt for (international law, the geneva conventions) are the only thing preventing amerikkka from being completely fascist.
The gov't cleartly is directing this campaign of hate and violence, but the people are sitting back and not doing anything about it. Amerikkkans have been complicit, paying their taxes that fund the war machiene, that bombs innocent civilians, who come to amerikkka to bomb innocent civilians, which fuels more war.
Instead of rising up, instead of resisting and revolting, amerikkkans have become fat and lazy and ignorant; choosing instead to watch television, eat fast food and consume, consume, consume, consume, consume........
I wish some people would rise up but at the moment some of the only ways to do that are blogs like this. I hate a lot of the corruption that goes on in this country but I also hate the corruption and wanting for attention so badly like the ACLU, they may have a good goal or mission statement but in the end they've done just as much wrong as the Ameri"kkk"ans you hate.
Lastly, to label all Americans like that and use the kkk in the name is very offensive and shows a low maturity level in that area. I must admit it is a cute concept and all but it's labeling all of Americans, it's like saying all muslims are bad.
Do you honestly believe the aclu is just out to "gain attention"? Isn't that a little naive/simplistic. It sounds like something from fox "news".
amerikkka is spelled amerikkka because of the racism that is intregal to the amerikkkan psyche. It is a constant reminder that is necessary because the amerikkkan media does everything in it's power to make things look as equal as possibe, or to distract from the analysis alltogether.
I don't hate americans, I hate amerikkka. As mark twain once said (and you have more or less stated) "Loyalty to the country, loyalty to the government always".
The amerikkkans I can't stand are the ones who vote for bu$h, happily pay taxes, don't go to/organise demonstrations, obey their media, obey their gov't, are racist and generally are ignorant.
There is a terrified minority that is not that way. But they would tend to support the aclu as one of their last remaining allies.
You should look into the facinating history of nazi germany and see how hitler used the riechstag fire to scapegoat and curtailed civil liberties to usher in fascism.
Do you honestly believe the aclu is just out to "gain attention"? Isn't that a little naive/simplistic. It sounds like something from fox "news".
amerikkka is spelled amerikkka because of the racism that is intregal to the amerikkkan psyche. It is a constant reminder that is necessary because the amerikkkan media does everything in it's power to make things look as equal as possibe, or to distract from the analysis alltogether.
I don't hate americans, I hate amerikkka. As mark twain once said (and you have more or less stated) "Loyalty to the country, loyalty to the government always".
The amerikkkans I can't stand are the ones who vote for bu$h, happily pay taxes, don't go to/organise demonstrations, obey their media, obey their gov't, are racist and generally are ignorant.
There is a terrified minority that is not that way. But they would tend to support the aclu as one of their last remaining allies.
You should look into the facinating history of nazi germany and see how hitler used the riechstag fire to scapegoat and curtailed civil liberties to usher in fascism.
Well then you and I are not ever going to agree on any points other than the basics because I am happy with the way of life I live, I'm going into the Airforce Acad, I love Fox News and Bill...I'm just the type you hate lol.
However I don't like the government on more than a couple issues, I don't like the corruption, racism is ignorant, and so is classifying a nation and it's people as a racist place especially without living here.
There is always going to be contreversial issues in our country. To say flat out that our government isn't doing anything is ignorant. We are always trying to do something, but there is always stalemate debate between republicans and democrats. We haven't won a war, because we hadn't been in a war before Iraq. If you don't like our country then leave. If you haven't left then shut up about it.
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USA is at the top so have to get involved with causes that seem none of there business, but an just look at all the people trying to sneak in here, Hummm.
Politics is dirty, too bad a good concept, but too many back room deals, favors, Quid pro quo, still our freedoms are still heads and shoulders above the rest, americans have to keep the faith and try to do better.
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What’s one foot across and sits behind two inches of skin, four inches of fat and 10 inches of muscle? That’s right: an elephant’s testicle. Which means veterinarian Mark Stetter’s newest invention—a four-foot-long fiber-optic laparoscope attached to a video monitor—has to be a heavy-duty piece of equipment to sterilize a randy bull pachyderm. Stetter, the head doc at Disney’s Animal Kingdom in Florida, created the device to help control elephants in African wildlife parks, where the jumbos have been breeding too quickly and eating up more than their share of the surrounding habitat. The snipping began last summer when Stetter and his team field-tested the device on four unsuspecting bulls at the Welgevonden Private Game Reserve in South Africa. After a pachyderm was sedated with a dart from a helicopter, the team used a crane truck to pull the sleeping beast upright. Four-inch incisions were made, and the laparoscope was inserted into the abdomen near the reproductive organs (an elephant’s testicles are on the inside, like ovaries). When he located the centimeter-thick vas deferens—the tube that carries semen from the testicles to the penis—Stetter inserted a long pair of scissors through the scope and cut out a two- or three-inch section. So far, the method seems to be working. The first four test subjects survived the ordeal with no complications (except the possibility of bruised pride). If things go the way Stetter plans, elephants throughout southern Africa will soon be crossing their legs in fear: He has begun training other field vets to perform the procedure, and hopes to have multinational trials up and running soon.
2. ORANGUTAN-PEE COLLECTOR
Their work is noninvasive—for the apes, that is . . . "Have I been pissed on? Yes," says anthropologist Cheryl Knott of Harvard University. Knott is a pioneer of "noninvasive monitoring of steroids through urine sampling." Translation: Look out below! For the past 11 years, Knott and her colleagues have trekked into Gunung Palung National Park in Borneo, Indonesia, in search of the endangered primates. Once a subject is spotted, they deploy plastic sheets like a firemen's rescue trampoline and wait for the tree-swinging apes to go see a man about a mule. For more pee-catching precision, they attach bags to poles and follow beneath the animals. "It's kind of gross when you get hit, but this is the best way to figure out what's going on in their bodies," Knott says.
3. ANAL-WART RESEARCHER
“I see about 15 butts a day, and a third of them have warts,” says nurse practitioner Naomi Jay of the University of California at San Francisco. Jay and infectious-disease doc Joel Palefsky were the first to run extensive clinical studies on the sexually transmitted diseases that afflict the anus. “He’s the tushie king, and I’m the tushie queen,” Jay boasts. Each of us has about a 10 percent lifetime risk of contracting anal warts, the worst variety of which—enemy number one storming the battlements of Jay’s royal domain—is human papillomavirus. This same STD that can cause cervical cancer in women also causes anal cancer in both genders. And the only way to detect this rare but deadly disease is to ask a highly trained nurse like Jay to scrutinize your derrière. “A giant anal wart can be a couple inches large and blocking the anal opening,” Jay says with her customary vigor. The bright side? “In 13 years I’ve only been pooped on twice, and that’s not bad.”
4. SEMEN WASHERS
It's a job that separates the boys from the men, OK, OK, their real job title is usually something like "cryobiologist" or "laboratory technician," but at sperm banks around the country, they are known as semen washers. "Every time I interview someone I make sure I ask them, 'Do you know you'll be working with semen?' " says Diana Schillinger, the Los Angeles lab manager at the country's largest sperm bank, California Cryobank. Let's start at the beginning. Laboriously prescreened "donors" emerge from a so-called collection room that is stocked with girlie mags and triple-X DVDs. They hand over their deposit, get their $75, and leave. The semen washers take the seminal goo and place a sample under the microscope for a sperm count. Next comes the washing. The techs spin the sample in a centrifuge to separate the "plasma" from the motile cells. Then they add a preservative, and it's off to the freezer, where it can stay for 20 years. Or not. Thanks to semen washers (and in vitro fertilization), more than 250,000 babies have been delivered in the U.S. since 1995.
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5. WHALE FECES RESEARCHER
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“Brown stain ahoy!” is not the cry most mariners long to hear, but for Rosalind Rolland, a senior researcher at the New England Aquarium in Boston, it’s a siren song. Rolland, along with a few lucky research assistants, combs Nova Scotia’s Bay of Fundy looking for endangered North Atlantic right whales. Actually, she’s not really looking for the whales—just their poo. “It surprised even me how much you can learn about a whale through its feces.”
Rolland pioneered whale-feces research in 1999. By 2003, she was frustrated by the small number of samples her poo patrol was collecting by blindly chasing whales on the open ocean. So she began taking along sniffer dogs that can detect whale droppings from as far as a mile away. When they bark, she points her research vessel in the direction of the brown gold, and as the boat approaches the feces—the excrement usually stays afloat for an hour after the deed is done and can be bright orange and oily depending on the type of plankton the whale feeds on—Rolland and her crew begin scooping up as much matter as they can using custom-designed nets. Samples are then placed in plastic jars and packed in ice (the largest chunks are just over a pound) to be shared with other researchers across North America. “We’ve literally been in fields of right-whale poop,” she marvels.
In the past few years, other whale researchers have adopted Rolland’s methods. Nick Gales of the Australia Antarctic Division now plies the Southern Ocean looking for endangered blue-whale dung, a pursuit that in 2003 led him to a scientific first. While tailing a minke whale, Gale’s team photographed what is believed to be the first bout of whale flatulence caught on film—a large, disconcertingly pretty bubble trailing behind the whale like an enormous jellyfish. “We stayed away from the bow after taking the picture,” Gales recalls. “It does stink.”
6. TAMPON SQUEEZER
If you’re interested in researching vaginal infections, you can do scrapes or urine tests, or you can draw samples with a pipette. Or you can collect your specimens from tampons. As Australian microbiologist Suzanne Garland and her team at the Royal Women’s Hospital in Victoria discovered, tampons are best for epidemiological studies of sexually transmitted diseases in large populations, because women are more likely to cooperate with a test that is familar and self-inserted rather than one that must be administered by a doctor.
Normally, researchers would use a centrifuge to extract fluids to be tested. But this is the one way in which the tampon is not an optimal specimen-collecting tool, because its true purpose is to hold liquid in. “Optimal recovery,” Garland says, “requires manual squeezing.”
7. HAZMAT DIVER
“The worst was at a factory pig farm,” says Steven M. Barsky, the author of Diving in High-Risk Environments, the industry bible for hazardous-materials divers. “A guy had driven his truck into the waste lagoon and drowned. Not only was it full of urine and liquid pig feces, the farmer had dumped all the needles used to inject the pigs with antibiotics and hormones in there.” Someone had to recover the body, and the task fell to commercial hazmat divers.
Outfitted with fully encapsulating drysuits, these Jacques Cousteaus of the sewers swim into clouds of waste, inside nuclear reactors and through toxic spills on America’s coasts and inland waterways. When the Environmental Protection Agency identifies pollutants, it contracts with a hazmat team to clean things up. That means using giant vacuums to suck up a polluted lakebed, hoisting leaking barrels to the surface, or diving into the heart of an oil spill or into a sewer to fix a clog. It’s dangerous work—one breach in the drysuit, and a whole stew of bacteria and toxins can fill ’er up. Jesse Hutton, of Ballard Salvage and Diving in Seattle, has seen his share of close calls. “I’ve been on jobs where suits have been breached by rough steel or something sharp,” he says, pointing out that divers must keep their shots up to date.
8. MANURE INSPECTOR
The smell is just the start of the nastiness. Almost 1.5 billion tons of manure are produced annually by animals in this country—90 percent of it from cattle. That's the same weight as 14,432 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. You get the point: It's a load of crap. And it's loaded with nasty contaminants like campylobacter (the number-one cause of acute gastroenteritis in the U.S.), salmonella (the number-two cause) and E.coli 0157:H7, which can cause kidney failure in children and painful, bloody diarrhea in everybody else.
Farmers fertilize their fields with manure, but if the excrement is rife with E.coli, then so will be the vegetables. Luckily for us, researchers at the University of Georgia's Center for Food Safety are knee-deep in figuring out how to eliminate these bacteria from our animals, their poop and our food. But to develop techniques to neutralize the nasty critters, they must go to the source.
"We have to wade through a lot of poop," concedes Michael Doyle, the center's director. "If you want to get the manure, you've got to grab it. Even when you wear gloves, the fecal smell tends to get embedded in your skin." Hog poop smells the worst, Doyle says, but it's chicken poop's chokingly high ammonia content that brings tears to researchers' eyes.
9. FLATUS ODOR JUDGE
Odor judges are common in the research labs of mouthwash companies, where the halitosis-inflicted blow great gusts of breath in their faces to test product efficacy. But Minneapolis gastroenterologist Michael Levitt recently took the job to another level—or, rather, to the other end. Levitt paid two brave souls to indulge repeatedly in the odors of other people's farts. (Levitt refuses to divulge the remuneration, but it would seem safe to characterize it thusly: Not enough.) Sixteen healthy subjects volunteered to eat pinto beans and insert small plastic collection tubes into their anuses (worst-job runners-up, to be sure). After each "episode of flatulence," Levitt syringed the gas into a discrete container, rigorously maintaining fart integrity. The odor judges then sat down with at least 100 samples, opened the caps one at a time, and inhaled robustly. As their faces writhed in agony, they rated just how noxious the smell was. The samples were also chemically analyzed, and—eureka!—Levitt determined definitively the most malodorous component of the human flatus: hydrogen sulfide.
10. DYSENTERY STOOL-SAMPLE ANALYZER
In the early '80s, Virginia Tech profs Tracy Wilkins and David Lyerly studied the diarrhea-causing microbe Clostridium difficile in sample after sample after sample of loose stool from the disease's victims. They became such crack dysentery docs that they launched a company, Techlab, dedicated to making stool-analysis kits. Today, Techlab employs 40 people, 19 of whom spend their working hours opening sloppy stool canisters and analyzing their contents in order to test the effectiveness of the company's kits. You'd have to have a pretty good sense of humor, right? Well, fortunately, they do. The Techlab Web site sells T-shirts with cartoons on the front (two flies hover over two blobs of dung; one says to the other, "Pardon me, is this stool taken?") and the company motto on the back: "Techlab: #1 in the #2 Business!"
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Natural history museums display clean white skeletons or neatly stuffed animals, but what their field biologists drag in are carcasses flush with rotting flesh. Each museum's taxidermist has his own favorite technique for tidying things up. University of California, Berkeley, zoologist Robert Jones swears by his strain of flesh-eating buffalo-hide beetles and has no problem reaching his bare hand into a drawer to pull out a rancid shrew skeleton swarming with thousands of these quarter-inch bugs. Jeppe Møhl at the University of Copenhagen Zoological Museum deposits sperm whales and dolphins into vast empty tanks and lets nature take its course. And then there's the boiling method, useful for chemically preserved samples that bugs won't touch—an approach favored by archaeologist Sandra Olsen, who has done her own skeleton work. She recalls a particularly vivid experience boiling down hyena paws: "It felt like inhaling the gases would literally kill us." Nah. It merely gave her a lung infection.
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