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Saturday, July 23, 2005

ACLU: FBI Documents

This article from the ACLU main site peaked my interest today. You can find the original article here

Government Has Amassed Thousands of Pages on National Peace and Civil Rights Organizations

NEW YORK -- The American Civil Liberties Union today revealed that the FBI has amassed more than 1,100 pages of documents on its organization since 2001, as well as documents concerning other non-violent groups including Greenpeace and United for Peace and Justice.

"We now know that the government is keeping documents about the ACLU and other peaceful groups - the question is why," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero.

"We are urging the court to order that these documents be turned over immediately," he added. "If the FBI has nothing to hide, it should release the documents promptly. The government’s claim that it needs nine more months to turn over these documents is a stalling tactic," Romero said, referring to the FBI’s request for more time to "process" the 1,173 pages of documents it says it has on the ACLU.


The ACLU also revealed today the contents of a report on United for Peace and Justice, a national peace organization that coordinates non-violent protests. The document, sections of which are redacted, is addressed to FBI "Counterrorism" personnel and quotes from UFPJ’s website calling for a public demonstration prior to the 2004 Republican National Convention.

The document was released in response to an ACLU lawsuit filed two months ago to expedite its FOIA request for FBI surveillance files on the ACLU, Greenpeace, United for Peace and Justice, Code Pink, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

"The UFPJ report underscores our concern that the FBI is violating Americans’ right to peacefully assemble and oppose government policies without being branded as terrorist threats," said Ann Beeson, Associate Legal Director of the ACLU. "There is no need to open a counterterrorism file when people are simply exercising their First Amendment rights."


The ACLU has launched a nationwide effort to expose and prevent FBI spying on people and groups simply for speaking out or practicing their faith. In addition to the FOIA request on behalf of the national organizations, the ACLU has filed similar requests on behalf of more than 100 groups and individuals in 16 states and the District of Columbia. The ACLU is seeking information about the FBI’s use of Joint Terrorism Task Forces and local police to engage in political surveillance. The requests were filed in response to widespread complaints from students and political activists who said they were questioned by FBI agents in the months leading up to the 2004 political conventions.

The FOIAs seek two kinds of information: 1) the actual FBI files of groups and individuals targeted for speaking out or practicing their faith; 2) information about how the practices and funding structure of the task forces, known as JTTFs, are encouraging rampant and unwarranted spying.

I find this article pretty funny because the ACLU is complaining that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has investigated them and gathered information about them. It's almost as if the ACLU is beginning to cry about the FBI doing their jobs, that has never happened before though right?

The ACLU says that if the FBI has nothing to hide they shouldn't keep the documents to themselves, however what is the ACLU so scared of that they have to have the documents? It seems to be hypocritical for the ACLU to call for these documents. After the ACLU has expressed their dismay they try to cover it up with a "we are protecting you by doing this" scheme when they say "The ACLU has launched a nationwide effort to expose and prevent FBI spying on people and groups simply for speaking out or practicing their faith."
The truth is the ACLU either A) Wants another reason to complain about the federal government or B) Is actually worried about what the FBI knows.

I hate to think that the downfall of America is going to be America but it's leading that way. It seems we are the next Rome, through our own corroption and inner turmoil we will perish and our "empire" will crumble. I'm not trying to be chicken little here but I really do wish that our government would be allowed to do their jobs. The government is not the must corruption free orginization by far so don't get me wrong. However, when they are actually trying to do something that falls within their job description it'd be nice to let them do it. Groups are needed to keep the government in check but not to restrict them from doing their job and making their private records known.


10 Comments:

Blogger Eabha the Kiwi said...

So if you are against civil liberties (civilian freedoms); and you actually believe the terrorists hate amerikkka because of all it's freedoms then your views must be aligned with that of the terrorists!

As it turns out, the terrorists are aginst the u$a because the u$a has been participating in, and supporting terrorism for a long time.

As osama bin laden said himself: "If we were against amerikkka's freedoms, why wouldn't we have attacked Sweden".

He's a madman, but he's also got a point. You can't go on bombing innocent civilians over and over and over again; and not expect it to come back at you.

The Amerikkkan Civil Liberties Union is the last thing between contemporary u$a and the Taliban or Nazi Germany. Take your pick.

4:19 AM  
Blogger Vesuvius said...

I don't believe I ever stated that I believe terrorists hate AMERICA because of it's freedoms nor did I state I was against civil liberties (I am against those liberties taking away from everyone elses and opposing on their liberties).

The terrorists hate America because of long time problems and fighting dating back to the crusades. The terrorists in that area are born to hate America not just for it's freedoms but because of the coroption and long time animosity built between us.

America wasn't around during the crusades why would they hate us? Because of our mostly Christian society which DID participate in the Crusades, also America is a much easier target than Sweden because of the liberals and those like the ACLU. They know they can get away with it and the world won't care. The world generally is envious of the wealth of America and is also informed that we are all greedy people out to hurt everyone else. Sweden would be hit and completely defensless and not split because of the people living in the country, the whole world would retalliate.

And yes America can be corupt and have a lot of bad people but it's not a reason to go kill civilians and cause terror, i.e. being a terrorist. I don't support everything America does and I am even writing a post to bash the government on some areas, but the ACLU is just an organization I felt like bashing after they've made me mad over so many issues.

Thanks for your post.

8:50 PM  
Blogger Eabha the Kiwi said...

The terrorists hate America because of long time problems and fighting dating back to the crusades.

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The christians started the crusades by launching a holy war (jihad) against islam.

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The terrorists in that area are born to hate America not just for it's freedoms but because of the coroption and long time animosity built between us.

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Saying that people from a certian area are "born to" do something is racist. And in this case it is also ignorant of amerikkkan foriegn policy that has been killing people in the middle east for decades. Do you know how many iraqis were killed because of the sanctions? You don't even know how many iraqi's were killed in this (ongoing) war because in the rush to steal oil, no amerikkkan decided to keep count! How about the people in palestine who have suffered terrible atrocities at the hands of isreal, who is supported by the u$ of a. Or afghanistan, the u$ supported the taliban for years. They they got cut out of the oil pipeline and blamo...war. Forget the fact that none of the hijackers even came from afghanistan. And you are worried about a civil liberties organisation that is out to protect YOUR freedoms?

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America is a much easier target than Sweden because of the liberals and those like the ACLU. They know they can get away with it and the world won't care. The world generally is envious of the wealth of America and is also informed that we are all greedy people out to hurt everyone else

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No offence, but I'm kind of embarassed for you. It's not your fault that your media won't tell you the truth or that your government doesn't teach you anything in schools because education money goes to bomb making but sweden is 1000 times more libertarian that the u$a.
Do you know anything about sweeden at all? That's why osama bin laden (who is clearly an ass) used it as an example; he know most people in the world (not in brainwashed amerikkka) would know that sweeden is a much more free country than the u$.

Robert, the u$a did not get wealthy because it is smarter or better. The wealth of the u$a is built upon the labour and resources of oppressed people all over the world. I am writing in a restrained manner to you only because I come from a wealthy part of the world myself (canada). The whole world hates amerikkka because it is and ALWAYS has been a global bully.

This is not to say there aren't good amerikans (the aclu is a good example), but the world sees the actions of the government and they see amerikkkan people as fat, ignorant and largely in support of the government.

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but it's not a reason to go kill civilians and cause terror

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exactly my point, and the point of most of the world!

7:22 AM  
Blogger Vesuvius said...

The thing is I do know about sweden and it's liberal people because I have been there, my point was that they are not hated like America.

I know the Christians started the Crusades, they did so for terrible reasons and the muslims have plenty of reason to hate them.

Saying people in an area are born to hate a certain "faction" of people is not racist but culture. Not all people in that area hate muslims and plenty love America, but the point is it's culture and a lot of it IS AMERICA's FAULT. I agree with you on the part that America has done alot of things wrong, but I don't see how that gets away from my point that killing civilians is wrong, terrorism is wrong, and the ACLU in many cases is out for attention while taking away the freedoms of many people by trying to "protect" the freedoms of others.

8:36 AM  
Blogger Eabha the Kiwi said...

Saying people in an area are born to hate a certain "faction" of people is not racist but culture.

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No, I'm afraid that's still a racist thing to say.

Your problem is you trust the government and the media far too much. The state has NEVER given freedoms voluntarily. Look at history. The state is there to serve the interests of the ruling class and only takes rights away.

Freedoms have been fought and died for by regular working class people. They fought and died AGAINST the state (civil rights, women's votes).

The ACLU is the last thing standing in the way of your fascist government taking away all of your rights from under your nose.

If you want to stop terrorism, stop funding and participating in it. Taking away freedoms serves the government to control its own people, and does NOTHING to deter terrorism.

Look at Iraq. 24 hours a day there is martial law. There are tanks and the army, actually there are several armies, thousands of troops and police and still very few basic freedoms. Has that stopped the terrorists there?

If you want to stop the terrorists, don't stop the people protecting your freedoms, stop the people who have supported and participate terrorism (your government). Your directing your attention to the opposite side you should.

Do your fellow citizens a favour.. Throw your television in the garbage and pick up a book. And encourage everyone you know to do the same!

8:23 PM  
Blogger Vesuvius said...

Actually I don't watch television that much except the news, which I understand can be biased. I read a lot and I am well informed about many issues including the situation in America and Iraq, you live over seas, if I'm correct, and I live in America...I would know a bit more than you think.

The ACLU is not standing in the way of a facist government but instead taking away the freedoms of many and allowing horrible things to go on. For instance, I wrote about this alread but, if you go into an Airport in America or a subway and have a bag labeled "bomb" and a person comes up to you and asks you to search it, you can refuse and all they can do is direct you to the next airport or subway BECAUSE OF THE ACLU. That sounds like supporting terrorism to me. The ACLU has made it illegal to pray in public schools saying it is offensive to the non-christian students. If I was jewish or muslim and went to a school made up of mostly Christians I would understand and not be offended. If I start going to a school in Iraq and ask the kids to stop praying in school I promise you the ACLU won't back me up.

Please research more into all that the ACLU has done, not just what they publish, and then come back and communicate about it. Otherwise thank you again for your posts ^_^

10:04 PM  
Blogger Eabha the Kiwi said...

if you go into an Airport in America or a subway and have a bag labeled "bomb" and a person comes up to you and asks you to search it, you can refuse and all they can do is direct you to the next airport or subway BECAUSE OF THE ACLU.

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Do you honestly believe a bomber would label their bag "bomb"? That sounds like a rupert murdock sound bite to me.

3:42 AM  
Blogger Vesuvius said...

It's not the point, if you go in with just a bag or even anything or not even a bag but a brief case. I was using the point of it saying bomb as it would be so obvious and they still couldn't do anything about it.

You are just nit picking now.

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